"BETTER GOVERNANCE IS THE ANSWER"

 

Transcript of interview with Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, August 2002

 

 

Q:  Is increased funding the answer to Burma's humanitarian crisis?

 

ASSK:  No, better governance is the answer to Burma's humanitarian crisis.

 

Q:  Do you think that increasing humanitarian assistance to Burma will increase the capacity of civil society? Why? If not, what will?

 

ASSK:  No, simply by increasing assistance you are not going to do anything to change the situation of the civil society. Other measures have to be taken to ensure that civil society is strengthened. For example, there have to be measures that will enable pluralism to flourish in Burma, without pluralism there can't be a strong civil society.

 

Q:  Those who advocate caution over a massive increase in humanitarian funding have been described as "irresponsible," "lacking compassion" and "valuing politics over human suffering." Do you have a comment?

 

ASSK:  I think this is a very, very sweeping statement, to say that simply because people advise caution over something they are to be considered irresponsible, lacking in compassion, etc, etc. I thought caution was something that every reactionary rather approved of. Now, it's strange that reactionaries would be saying this thing, that caution means irresponsibility. I think if people don't like what you are doing then they will say you are irresponsible because you are doing too much and then again, if they don't like the fact that you are doing too little, they start saying you're irresponsible too. So, I think this is a very subjective comment.

 

Q:  Are those who want to attach conditions to aid being too inflexible? Why?

 

ASSK:  Too inflexible? Not at all, because it depends very much on the conditions. If the conditions are reasonable, then you cannot say that there is inflexibility.

 

Q:  Those who promote increased humanitarian assistance in Burma say that the humanitarian crisis in Burma cannot wait for political change. Do you agree with this assertion?

 

ASSK:  I think what I would like to say is that Burma cannot wait for political change, we need it now!

 

Q:  The larger amounts of aid being received by Burma's neighbours are sometimes cited as justification for a massive increase in aid to Burma. Is this comparison a valid justification?

 

ASSK:  Not at all, it depends on what the differences between Burma and her neighbours [are]. What we have to look at is why Burma's neighbours are receiving more aid than we are and then we have to decide whether or not this difference is justifiable.

 

Q:  What conditions are necessary to ensure that humanitarian assistance to Burma will benefit its people?

 

ASSK:  I've said this ad nauseam: accountability, transparency and independent monitoring. Unless there is accountability and transparency, you can never say what happens to all that assistance. It may not go to help the people, on the contrary, it may go into schemes that harm the people. So unless there is accountability and transparency we cannot say that humanitarian aid is assisting the people. Q: If you could speak to those who would make decisions on increasing aid, or humanitarian assistance to Burma, what would you say?

 

ASSK:  What I would like to say is the most important aspect of humanitarian assistance or any kind of assistance is good governance. Unless there is good governance, you cannot ensure that the assistance will really benefit the country. So, we cannot say often enough that good governance is the answer to Burma's humanitarian problems.

 

Q:  What type of aid do you think is important to sustain at this stage?

 

ASSK:  It is possible that there are some forms of humanitarian aid that can be used properly at this time because there's accountability and transparency and at the same time it is possible that there some kinds of development aid which also fit the bill.

 

Q:  What about HIV/AIDS projects?

 

ASSK:  There is a lot of interest in HIV/AIDS projects and I think that's a good thing because certainly we need to be very concerned about this problem. But I don't think we should forget other problems because there is so much concentration on HIV/AIDS.

 

Q:  You have also stressed that aid should directly benefit the people and bring about democratisation. It has been claimed that trade and aid that increases the size of the middle class will bring about democratic change, therefore massive amounts of economic aid are needed for Burma. Do you agree?

 

ASSK:  I don't think that just because you create a middle class that you will bring about democratic change. I don't think those two necessarily go together and I do not think that you can claim that certain forms of economic measures will bring about political reform automatically, political reform is political reform. I would have thought that on the contrary, it is the right kind of political reform that can promote economic reform.

 

Q:  What are your criteria to determine satisfactory community consultation and community participation. Would the assertion that "our door is always open" or "they know where we are and they can talk to us when we are on-site" constitute adequate community consultation?

 

ASSK:  No, of course not. In the community, the people of the community have to feel free to say what they want to say [and] they have to feel free to go and see whom they want to go and see. So unless there is that kind of freedom, freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, I do not think that you can say that it is a satisfactory situation.

 

Q:  Do you have an ideal model of community participation?

 

ASSK:  No, I don't have an ideal model. I don't think you can talk about ideal models because one community is quite different from another. The basic requirements, as I said, are freedom of speech and freedom of association. Unless there are freedom of speech and freedom of association I do not think that community participation could be absolutely satisfactory.

 

Q:  Should consultation include ethnic nationality groups?

 

ASSK:  I think agencies should try and get in touch with everybody who is concerned with the projects that they are trying to run. I don't think you can just say that, "in this matter we will only consult ethnic nationalities," or in "this matter we will not consult ethnic nationalities," it's very much on the kind of project they are running. They have to consult whoever would be affected by these projects.

 

Rangoon, August 2002

 

Extracted from the ALTSEAN-Burma report  A Peace of Pie? Burma’s Humanitarian Aid Debate”, 13 October 2002
http://www.ibiblio.org/obl/docs/peaceofpie.htm