INTERVIEWS 37-46
Interview: 37 HRV: Displacement, Forced
Labour, Livelihood, Slavery, Torture
Name: Nan
Thein Thein
Sex: Female
Age: 35
Ethnicity: Pwo Karen
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Married
with 4 children (age 6 to 13)
Occupation: Farmer
Address: Hlaing Bwe Township, Karen State
I
arrived here yesterday. I came because we had no more money to pay porter fees,
so I dared not stay in the village any longer. Most of the men have already run
away so the soldiers tried to catch the women, and I was afraid to stay. My
husband doesn't know I came here because when I came he had already fled from
them. I don't know where he is. I hope to find him here. I just arrived so I
don't even have a house to stay in yet. If I find my husband he could build a
house for us.
Two
years ago the soldiers came one night and asked me to go with them. I dared not
go so they beat me with their guns. I was pregnant, and I fell down on my belly
and it was hurt, and my baby was hurt inside. Two days later I had a
miscarriage and lost my baby. I was so sick from it that I had to go to the
hospital, and they had to make an operation to cut my womb. Now I can't have
children anymore.
Now
the soldiers come to the village and ask for money. Every month they demand 200
or 300 Ks. Sometimes they also make us go for forced labour, and every month we
have to pay 1,000 Ks as labour fees [SLORC says this is to hire labourers] and
to pay the SLORC militia. We don't know how they really use the money. They say
that if we can't pay it, we won't be allowed to stay in our village anymore.
They come and steal everything, and they come to take porters to their camp.
We
are very afraid but we have to go. Sometimes we had to go for one month. I
wanted to hire someone to go in my place but I had no money. If you borrow
money from others, you have to pay interest. I faced that problem.
There
used to be over 100 houses in my village, but many people have run away and now
there are only 10 houses left. The soldiers often ask for 10 or 20 porters
every month. Each household was ordered to send one family member, sometimes
including many women. SLORC also grabbed people to be porters whenever they
came to ask for money and when we couldn't pay. Sometimes I've been a porter
for one or two days, sometimes for over a month. We had to carry rice,
ammunition, salt, chillies and sugar, and we also have to carry the soldiers'
clothes. I was very afraid of them all the time. They scolded and cursed me.
Sometimes the women had to carry two 81mm mortar shells each. We had to go to
Lu Pleh and to other places. The soldiers are from IB
331 and 339. I know of Capt Than Shwe and Capt Than
Win from IB 331, and Capt Soe Teh
from IB 339. I've see many men brought back from being porters with broken
legs.
Interview: 38 HRV: Child, Detention,
Displacement, Slavery, Torture, Women
Name: Naw K'Ser Paw
Sex: Female
Age: 38
Ethnicity: Karen
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Married with 6 children (age 2
to 16)
Occupation: Farmer
Address: Nyaunglebin District, Pegu
Division
[Naw K'Ser Paw's husband is a
Karen soldier. She fled her village and arrived in Karen-controlled territory
in June 1994.]
I was arrested at the
start of this year. The SLORC soldiers surrounded the house, called us to come
out and said, "If you don't come out we'll drag you out!" Then they
started to punch me.
They tried to punch me in
the face but they missed, then they tried to punch me in my back but instead of
me they hit my baby son in the head. I thought he was going to die. He wasn't
even breathing. There was also a man staying at our house to protect us, and
they hit him with a gun about 10 times. There were about 200 soldiers – that's
a lot! Their commander was Maj Myo
Tint. They tied us up and took us to the headman's house in the village.
At the same time they took
all our cattle. They kept us there one night, then the
next day they took us to Tat Tu Camp. Along the way
they made me and my baby son sit under a hut for about four hours. They didn't
give us any food. At Noh Po they took our photo twice. First they made me stand
under a tamarind tree, put on my bamboo hat and hold my son, and the second
time I had to sit cross-legged with one of the bags I'd brought along and my
son in my lap. When we arrived at Tat Tu they asked
me a lot of questions about my husband and then put us in the jail. The next
morning they took us to a bigger jail in Tat Tu,
where they kept us for eight days.
We were locked up together
with Naw Ta Blu Htoo and her son, just the four of us. They just kept us in
the cell. My son had diarrhoea and they wouldn't let us go out to the toilet. I
thought, "This time, he's going to die. Even if he doesn't die here, he'll
die in the next place for sure." But luckily he could eat a little bit,
and one of the sentries gave him two tablets to stop the diarrhoea and it
stopped. The soldiers interrogated me about my husband.
They said: "Ask your
husband to come and surrender to us. We won’t kill him, and then you can all go
and live in Ler Doh."
I told them that my husband doesn't do anything for me and that I never even
see him. I'm left alone with only my baby son, just the two of us. They said,
"You're lying. We arrested you because you're a liar," and they kept
telling me to call my husband to come and surrender. While we were there they
called out some other people in the jail and killed them. They accused those
people of being spies. We saw them digging the ground beside the jail to bury themselves. Then one evening they called us so we thought
they were going to kill us because we were the only two left, each of us with
our child. I said to Naw Ta Blu
Htoo, "This time I am going to die." I
couldn't carry my son with me because they'd beaten me on my back and it was
too painful, so Naw Ta Blu Htoo and I went to them alone. They told us, "We won't
kill you, but we want the truth." Then they asked us questions.
Then Maj
Nyo Aye took us to Thu K'Bee.
On the way they tied two of us together and we couldn't even walk along the
paddy dikes in the rice fields. Sometimes we had to cross rivers where water
was up to our waists, and I also had to carry my son. When we got to Thu K'Bee they took us apart and tied us up separately, then we
went on to Seik Gyi, then by truck to Nat Than Gwin and eventually to Tham Bo Camp.
At Tham
Bo we had to work starting at
After three months at Tham Bo they took us to the police camp at Ler Doh for one night and one day
without food. Then they took us to the court [she probably means the township
LORC office]. At the court they told us: "We arrested you because of your
husbands, not because of yourselves. Because your husbands
are very bad men. We need to kill them, though in a way I don't want to
kill them." Then I had to pay 16,000 Ks to Ye Soe.
He is the superior of Maj Myo
Tint, who arrested me. I also had to pay 2,400 Ks when we were at the police
station. They told us if we didn't give them the money they asked for they'd
put us back in prison, so we had to give them everything because we couldn't
bear to stay there anymore. Then they released us, but even after I was back at
home they still came once a week to interrogate me. They asked me questions and
said, "Your husband didn't surrender to us. You're a liar", and they
beat me up. I told them, "Since you released me I haven't seen my husband.
I know nothing about him. Just ask the village headman." The headman
confirmed that my husband hadn't been around, but SLORC said if anyone saw my
husband around there, they'd kill our whole family. They said they'll be
watching and come back again. I got so sick I was paralysed for two days.
People thought I was going to die, and they gave me 14 or 15 IV drips before I
got better. I don't know what it was. Just after that Major Ye Soe came and ordered me to get out of the village. I moved
to my aunt's house in another village, but I couldn't stay there because she
was afraid to get into trouble because of me. The SLORC people there called her
in and told her they didn't want me there. They told me to go and report to the
police and the army, but I didn't want to do that after what they did to me
last time. So I ran away from that place and came here.
SLORC had done other
things to me before too. One time my father asked me to go and buy 30 packets
of cheroots for him. I went alone, and when I passed an army outpost the
sergeant stopped me and said: "Give me a light. I want to smoke."
When I tried to give him a light he grabbed my hand and said, "Last night,
15 people slept in your house. Do you know who they are?" I told him I
hadn't seen anyone and he said, "How can you say that? I saw the people in
your house from here." Then he punched me. I kept telling the truth, and
he slapped me in the face. Then I stopped talking and started crying. One of my
sons and my nephew were with me. My nephew said, "Aunt, SLORC is going to
beat us until we die." Then the sergeant punched him too and his jaw
swelled up. My nephew is an orphan, and he is not strong. Then the sergeant hit
me with his rifle butt, but then he saw his commander coming so he released us.
This sergeant's name was Wah Ko.
Another time we were just delivering a letter to Thu K'Bee
Village for my father, but SLORC troops arrived and asked what we were doing
there. We told them we were there to buy chickens but they didn't believe us,
punched us and then made us hold our ears and squat and stand up 15 times [a
child punishment, very degrading for adults].
Back there we always had
to keep running from SLORC. Only two of my children went to school, one girl
and one boy. They just started school for two days, then
we had to move. Since we've arrived here we've been sick all the time, so we
can't do anything. The mother has to care for her sick children, and the
children have to care for their sick mother. We can't get any food so we have
to buy it, and now we've run out of money.
Interview: 39 HRV: Forced Labour,
Livelihood, Minorities, Repatriation, Slavery
Name: Sai
On
Sex: Male
Age: 50
Ethnicity: Shan
Religion: Buddhist
Occupation: Gem trader
Address: Tachilek,
eastern
[As a gem trader, Sai On constantly
travels around southern
SLORC is commandeering
porters every day. Lately they've been doing it even in Tachilek,
and in Mong Pyak 60 miles to the north, Mong Yawng 90 miles to the north, in San Sai,
Hong Luk, Huay Kai, Mae Hoke, Mong Yang, and in the parishes around them. Also, if
you go about 60 miles east of Tachilek you’ll find
Mong Pone Parish, and Tah Ler
Parish 30 miles to the north, they're taking porters there too. At night the
troops surround the village and take everybody. None of the men are spared,
they take them all. In Mong Pone the monk pitied the villagers so he pleaded to
SLORC authorities not to take them as porters. They told him he has to buy 10
mules or else they will take the people, so he bought them the mules and now
they've promised not to take the people there. They use everything for military
purpose; people, mules, private cars. The people are so afraid that they'll
have to serve as porters that they’re running away to
The next day the Thai
authorities drive them back into Tachilek, and then
they're all taken as porters by SLORC. The Thais drove out more than 200 people
for one time, and as SLORC knew of the repatriation they were waiting on the
Burmese side of the border. The people did not reach their homes. They were
arrested and herded to Loi Hsa
Htong, where they were kept until SLORC needs them as
porters. They're still there now. The Thais drove them back on 6 June.
Loi Hsa Htong is a local SLORC
military headquarters. They've put the people inside a barbed wire fence and
they're not allowed to see any of their relatives. It's impossible to say how
many people are being kept there, because every day people are taken out as
porters, others come back from being porters and new people are brought in. I
can't be sure, but I think there are about two to three hundred people being
held there. People who have fled being taken have told me about this, and many
people in Tachilek know about it.
Porters at Loi Hsa Htong
were sent to Mong Ker in northern
Some have even been taken
by aeroplane to Nam Sang [because it is now rainy season and the muddy roads
are almost impassable]. From there they have to go on foot. It's 20 days’ walk.
None of them have arrived up there yet, they're still on the way and more are
being sent now. SLORC is also sending reinforcements to the area from Lashio now.
In Tachilek,
SLORC troops captured people who were on their way to their fields or to work
and sent them to the frontline or to Loi Hsa Htong. Then when people were
afraid to go out anymore, they started raided houses in the evening, then at
dawn they took whoever was in the house. For 20 days they even rounded people
up in the market, so people from
If the Thais hadn't paid,
they would have had to go to the frontline as porters. First SLORC demanded
100,000 Baht for each of them, but they gave them
2,000 or 3,000 each and the soldiers let them go back. When they got back to
SLORC soldiers take
everyone they on sight, even in the marketplace and in teashops, even the
women. The youngest are 12 or 13 and as for the oldest, even some people over
60 have to go as porters. Some have been used as portering for two months
already and have not been released yet. Some who are lucky could return home in
10 days.
Sometimes they get
sardines with their rice, but usually they just get plain rice. It's very rare,
and often it's not enough. Many get exhausted and die along the way. As for me,
I have to pay bribes. If I couldn’t pay them I'd probably have to go. All the
people just look on SLORC as a bunch of bandits, not a government. Their army
too, people say they're not an army, they're just bandits.
Now they're not going
around to take porters as much, instead they give
orders to the headmen in both the villages and the towns to have 20 people each
ready every day to serve porters.
When SLORC asks for them
they have to be sent. They started this programme three months ago, and since
then they've called for those people all the time, so many times you can't even
count it. Every village and section of town has to keep money ready as well.
The amount depends on the size of the village – every household has to pay 40
to 200 Ks regularly. In very small villages where there is not enough people to
send as porters, they have to send cash instead. Whether there’s fighting or
not the people have to accomplish all these assignments.
Even before when there was
no fighting in
Every day the villagers
also have to rotate going to fence the military camps, to cook, fetch water and
farm for the troops as unpaid labourers. The villagers aren't even fed. They
even have to wash the soldiers' clothes. The villagers' farms have been
confiscated, and then the owners are forced to go back and farm the land but
all the profits go to the military. The farmers who have their land taken are
in trouble because they have no way to earn their living, so they have to sell
everything they own to survive, then when that’s exhausted they have to do
something like run away to Thailand. But the Thais never allow them to stay,
and drive them back.
Those who are lucky have
some relatives on the Thai side of the border, so they can go one by one and
stay very secretly. Now SLORC is also bombing the villages. Maybe they want to
bomb the soldiers, but they dared not come down low enough so they usually bomb
the civilian villages instead. The planes are from
In every 10 households
there's now at least one informer for Military Intelligence. They're forced to
do it, they have to report everything that happens in
those 10 households every day, every hour. If anybody comes
visiting, they have to report that such-and-such person came to such-and-such
house, what time he came and what time he left. If they don't obey they’ll be
arrested, taken away and tortured.
SLORC only wants the
riches in
Interview: 40 HRV: Livelihood, Minorities
Name: Sai
Shwe
Sex: Male
Age: over 60
Ethnicity: Shan
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Divorced with 1 daughter (age
3) who stays with
her
mother
Occupation: Trader
Address: Kengtung,
eastern
[Sai Shwe is a businessman who constantly travels in
southern
As a businessman I have to
pay money whenever they demand it – we have to bargain over it. Unless I pay
then I can't do business. If you run a shop you'll have to pay. Whatever you
want to do you have to pay. Even if you want to cross the border you have to
pay. I can't say how much because it's always up to them.
If anyone wants to be a
merchant, trader or shop owner he has to have a permit. Depending on how much
capital he's going to invest he has to pay a certain percentage to them.
There’s a limit on investment. When they practised socialism, they confiscated
if you invested more than 2,000 Ks. Until now, if you invest too much it will
be confiscated. It's still a
When soldiers buy things,
it depends on the individual soldier but usually they won't pay the cost. For
example, some Thai people used to go to Tachilek to
sell petrol or diesel fuel, but all the soldiers come and fill their cars or
motorbikes. They don’t pay, they just go away when
their tank is full. So those Thais couldn’t make any money and they had to give
up and go back to
If you go across the
border bridge into
If they arrest you and you
give them enough money to make them happy, then you'll be released. If not,
it's up to them. They can do to you whatever they like.
You can't do business
openly or legally unless your capital is very small. If you want to invest a
significant amount then you have to do business secretly. I've heard about this
Economic Quadrangle, about how they're building these roads [the Economic
Quadrangle is a Sino-Thai concept involving building roads and opening up
borders to strengthen trade between Thailand, China, Burma and Laos]. First the
Thais negotiated with the SLORC commander and they made agreements that a road
would be built from there to there and how wide it would be and so on, but when
the time came to build it SLORC had changed commanders and the new one said,
"Oh, no, not like this, you must do it like that."
So the plans keep changing
and being cancelled, and most of the Thai contractors have given up and gone
home. For example, the previous military commander in Tachilek
made construction agreements with a Thai contractor named Kay Lian, so he sent some of his trucks and bulldozers across
but the new commander said, "No, you can’t do that," and he had to
bring all his equipment back. The new commander also cancelled all the plans
for the new bridge across the border that had already been agreed. To make
friends with SLORC is very difficult.
They have a policy in
Even if she's not happy in
her marriage, she has to pretend to be happy. She has three children with this
sergeant. All are girls. The government policy is that all their children must
be considered Burmans. Now all her daughters are married to Burmans. They still
have this policy, so the SLORC soldiers are always trying to marry Shan women
any way they can. I think SLORC are trying to commit genocide against the
Shans.
Interview: 41 HRV: Detention, Displacement,
Livelihood, Torture
Name: Naw Ta Blu Htoo
Sex: Female
Age: 28
Ethnicity: Karen
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Married with 1 son (age 8)
Occupation: Farmer
Address: Nyaunglebin District, Pegu
Division
[Naw Ta Blu Htoo's
husband is a Karen soldier. She fled her village and arrived in
Karen-controlled territory in June 1994.]
Brother, I'll tell you how
SLORC captured me on January 16 at
I answered them, and then
they told me to come down out of the house. Then they tied me up with rope with
my hands behind my back. One of them hit me in the head with a gun, while the
others beat me, slapped me in the face and punched me in the back with their
fists. They asked me if my husband carries a gun and I told them, “No, because
he's not a soldier", but they didn't believe me.
They started wrapping
something around my head, and after they wrapped it around two or three times I
couldn't bear it so I said, "Yes, my husband carries a gun", because
there was nothing else I could do. They stole everything from my house, even my
clothes, spoons, pots and plates, parturient pig and took to their camp. After
that they took me to the village head's house. They tied me up under his house
and kept me there for half an hour.
Then they took me up into
the house and tied me up around the neck and all over my body. They kept me
like that all night long and they didn't give me anything to eat until
When we arrived there they
made a special place to keep us like a prison, and at about
When they let us out into
the light we couldn't walk properly and it was so bright we couldn't see after
being in the darkness. They kept us there for seven days and nights. Then they
marched us to Tah Pu, Thu K'Bee, the Burman village at Kyo
Gone and onto Theh Gone, where we had to get on a
truck to Nat Than Gwin, then
to Ler Doh Military Camp.
We thought they were going to keep us there but then they took us to Chit Than Gwin and finally to Tham Bo [where IB 60 headquarters is located]. Maj Nyo Aye went with us all the
way. When we got to their camp at Tham Bo they made
us sign a paper, then they locked us up. On that day alone they'd arrested
about 30 people along the way from different places. They ordered the SLORC
soldiers there who'd lost their legs to guard us, so those men ordered us to do
everything for them and we had to do it. They made us plant trees and cut all
the grass, not even one blade of grass was to be left. We also had to make
fences and tend their ducks and animals, find firewood and carry water for
them. We had to cook and eat very early in the morning before they came to call
us for work, and if we weren't ready we'd be in trouble. Some days we weren’t
well enough to work but they said, "You're just lying." While we
worked they just sat and watched us, like a boy tending his goats. They also
made my son work by cutting the weeds around the barracks, and he didn't want
to do it so he began crying. They sent a message to the people in my village to
come once a week to bring food for us, and when they came
my son went back with them. But I had to stay there and work every day, all day
and at night too, so I was getting very tired. The soldiers told me, "We
won't let you out until your husband surrenders to us." They said they'd
keep me there forever.
At night I had to sleep in
the prison. At
We were kept at Thambo like that for three months, then
we were sent to the police lock-up at Ler Doh. They kept us there like pigs – we had to eat and go to
the toilet in the cell.
Inside there were a few
pots to defecate for everyone there. Before putting us in there, the police
forced each woman to give them 100 Ks. They kept us there for one day and
night, then they sent us to the village LORC camp, then to the township LORC
camp. They sent us to Strategic Command Headquarters to sign a paper, then back to the police station again. Then we had to sign
again to be released, but the police demanded money before they'd let us sign.
They demanded 12,400 Ks from me. I had to give them the money and then they let
me go.
When I arrived back in my
village there were SLORC soldiers in all the houses. They told me, "You
have to go and see our officer."
The officer asked me,
"Do you want to stay here or somewhere else?” so I told him I wanted to
stay there. He said, "I don't want you to stay here because I don't want
you to meet your husband. Go and stay in another village." I told him I'd
go and stay wherever he ordered, but then after the soldiers had left I went back
and stayed in my own village. Later my husband came back, and we moved here
because I know if I stay there the soldiers will come for me again. I've been
sick the whole time since I was released because of beatings. I am still
painful inside. The druggist has given me injections but they don't work, so I
don’t know what kind of medicine I need. My son is also sick and it’s very hard
for us. We're from the plains but here it is mountainous region, so we have to
cut down the forest and plant on the hills. It’s very hard and I don't know how
I can do it with my sickness, and my husband also isn't used to it, but I'm
afraid to go back to my village so there's nothing I can do.
Interview: 42 HRV: Forced Labour
Name: Nai
M—
Sex: Male
Age: 52
Address: Paungdaw,
Interviewed: April 1994
[Nai M— fled from the village on
Q. What did you do to earn
a living when you were in
A. I lived by fishing.
Q. Why did you have go and work on the railway construction?
A. The local Burmese
military authorities required each household of the village to contribute one
labourer for the railway construction: We dare not refuse the orders of the
military authorities and I had to go and work there for my family.
Q. Who came to tell you to
go and work there?
A. Our village headmen.
They were ordered by the local commanders to urge the villagers to go and work
there.
Q. Are the villagers paid
for their labour?
A. They are not paid. They
have to work for free.
Q. Where did you get food
to eat during working there?
A. We had to take our own
food and work there. The labourers are not provided with any food by the
authorities.
Q. How many people from
your village have to go to work there a day?
A. All the households of
the village have to contribute one labourer a day. Our village [Paungdaw] has 120 households, therefore a total of 120
people from our village have to work there.
Q. How did you go to reach
your worksite in the railway construction?
A. From our village [Paungdaw] we walked to Kanbauk
Village [about 5 miles]; from Kanbauk we went by car
to Kaleinaung [about 8 miles]; and from Kaleinaung we went by car again to reach our worksite near Natkyizin Village [some 30 miles].
Q. Who paid for your
transportation to go to the worksite?
A. We had to go to the
worksite at our own expense.
Q. What were you given to
do there?
A. The 120 people from our
village, including myself, were given to clear away all the trees and bushes
for 100 x 100 square feet, to remove all the tree-stumps and smooth the ground,
to break some hills, and etc. We, the 120 people from Paungdaw,
were required by the authorities to complete the work within 15 days.
Q. How did you share duty
between yourselves? Were all of you required to work at the worksite? Then who
did the cooking for you all? Was there any instruction from the authorities for
this?
A. When we reached the
worksite, we were instructed by the soldiers there to make five persons a group
–one person was to do the cooking for the group, while four other persons were
to work for the railway.
Q. How many hours a day
did you have to work?
A. We had to start working
at
Q. When you got tired
during the working hours, could you take a rest for a while? When the soldiers
saw that you were resting, what did they say to you? Did they press you to work
on?
A. When we wanted to rest
during the working hours, we could. The soldiers didn't say anything to us. The
only instruction of the authorities was that we must complete the given work in
the given 15 days´ time, not later than that time. Since the work required much
hard labour to be completed by the deadline, we did not have much time to take
rests during working.
Q. Were there any
villager who fled from the worksites to escape the hard labour? When a villager
has fled from the worksite, what the military authorities then do to his/her
family in the village? Now you yourself have fled from your village, do you
think that your family in the village is fined or punished by the military
authorities because of your fleeing?
A. Many villagers have
fled from the worksites to escape the hard labour. According to the orders of
the military authorities, if a villager flees away during working at the
worksite, his/her family in the village must pay a fine of 3,000 Ks. Now I am
still worried for my family in the village. I know that my family have no
money. So I am not sure if any member of my family is arrested and detained by
the military authorities, for they can not afford to pay the fine.
Interview: 43 HRV: Forced Labour
Name: Mi N—
Sex: Female
Age: 19
Family: Married, five months pregnant
when she fled
Address: Paungdaw,
Q. What did you do to earn
your living when you were at
A. Like most people in the
village, my family lived by fishing.
Q. You are five months
pregnant; why did you have to go to work in the railway construction?
A. I worked for my family
because at the same time my husband had to go and work for his elder sister's
family, for her husband was then ill and not able to go and work for his own
family.
Q. What did you have to do
at the railway worksite? Did you have to do the same work with the men?
A. Yes, normally the women
had to do the same work with the men. Since five persons had to form a group
and work together in one place, if the group had only one woman, the woman did
the cooking for the group and the rest four men went to work for the railway.
But if the group had more than one women, one of the
women did the cooking and all the rest four persons had to go and work for the
railway. But this is only our own way of sharing the work between men and
women; there was no instruction from the authorities to share the work in this
way, what they told us was that we must complete the work within 15 days.
Q. How many people from Paungdaw Village had to go and work at the railway
worksites, how many of them were women, including yourself?
A. There were 120
households in Paungpaw and 120 people had to go and
work for the railway construction, each household had to contribute one
labourer. Among the 120 people working in the railway construction, there were
about 40 women, including some young girls aged between 14 and 15.
Q. How many days had you
worked there before you fled the village?
A. I had worked for 11
days before I fled from the village.
Q. What did you have to do
during the 11 days you were working there? Did you do the cooking or work with
the men?
A. I did cooking for some
days and had to work for the railway construction for the other days. During
the days I worked for the railway, I had to clear the bushes, remove the
tree-stumps, clean the ground by sweeping and burning off the leaves, carry the
earth and fill in the low places, and so on.
Q. Why did you decide to
flee?
A. We were continuously
required to work for the railway construction and we didn't even have time to
do our own jobs to survive. Again, we had to work very tiredly for the railway.
We couldn't afford to work on for the unpaid hard job and so decided to flee
away.
Interview: 44 HRV: Child, Displacement,
Execution, Forced Labour, Torture, Women
Name: Maung O—
Sex: Male
Age: 28
Ethnicity: Karen
Religion: Christian
Family: Married with 2 children (age 4
months and
7 yrs)
Occupation: Farmer
Address:
Tenasserim Division
Interviewed: late March 1994
[The
following interviews were conducted by the KHRG in these refugee camps at the
end of March 1994. The villagers came from several areas, and have worked on
various different stretches of the railway and at different times. This
explains the differences in their stories relating to the type of labour, the
treatment by the troops, and the width of the path being cleared. Note that the
width of the path is very wide for a railway, because it is usual for SLORC to
clear a wide "killing ground" along roads and railways in order to
make it hard for civilians and opposition forces to cross without detection.
Villagers often mention "porter fees"; this is a name given by SLORC
troops to protection money they extort from villagers. It is theoretically to
be used to hire munitions and supply porters, but such porters, as evidence
shows, do not receive pay.]
I arrived here a couple
months ago. I came because the soldiers are shooting at people around my
village. I can't bear to live there now. When I was there I had to work on the
railway for 15 days at a time and they fed us nothing. We had already run out
of food, so we asked to go home but they wouldn't let us. When we asked them
for food, they refused to give us any, instead shot at us. Twenty-six people
were shot after stealing goods from the soldiers. They were shot on the railway
around
Then when we got back to
our village, the soldiers came and called us to go back to work again, but we
dared not go back, so the soldiers beat many villagers. No one wanted to go
back to the worksite because they can't get any food there. The soldiers took
many people to the worksite by force and they fed them nothing. When the
soldiers were around the village that time, I was hiding in the bushes. Then
when they were going to return to their outpost, I ran away and came here. I
just kept running, because I knew the way. My family just had to suffer. They
could do nothing, because they couldn't follow me. Then the soldiers came to my
house and poked my wife in the side with a rifle butt. They kicked her hard in
the stomach and she vomited blood. Then they kicked my baby son down into the
fire, and all the hair on his head was burnt. They slapped my 7-year old son in
the face and he cried out. They beat them because I had escaped. Along the way
here I stopped to wait for my wife and children. Then I brought them with me.
My wife is still sick because of beating, and my baby son is still sick. If you
touch his head it is still painful. [Maung O—'s son still has a bad burn scar
and no hair on the crown of his head.]
I worked at the railway
three times. It was the third time that I escaped. Each time was 15 days, with
no time off. After 15 days on the railway, I had only three days back in the
village before going again. At the railway we had to leave the ground, clear
the scrub and the grass. Sometimes we had to clear the forest. The area was
bamboo jungle, and there were some hills and mountains. Sometimes it was
farmland, with coconut plants and betelnut plants. If
there were trees or plants we had to cut them down. They destroyed the farmland
if they needed to. We had to clear the jungle along a path 200 feet wide. We
had to break rocks and carry them about half a kilometre in bamboo baskets. We
had to bring our own tools. I saw over 4,000 people working altogether,
including so many women, and also pregnant women and a few children. They
youngest was 14, and there were old people over 50 and up to 60 years old. We
all had to do the same work together. We worked from
Some people got sick. Even
if they were sick, they were forced to work. If they stopped, the soldiers beat
them up with a piece of bamboo stick. Some nearly died, and some vomiting
blood. They didn't get any medical attention. Some people died of sickness and
starvation. I also saw some labourers who were very tired, and tried to rest
under a tree. They were beaten up. The soldiers just beat them while they were
sitting there, and hurt them badly. They couldn't even walk after the beating.
Then the soldiers just forced them back to work. The soldiers usually beat the
labourers with bamboo sticks and metal pipes. There were soldiers all around,
so nobody could escape. If some people tried to escape, the soldiers shot at
them. The soldiers shot 26 people to death after they took away the soldiers'
food. The soldiers brought food for themselves and there were also labourers
who brought a lot of food for them. We didn't have any food, so we tried to
take away some from the soldiers belonged to IB 409. I only know one officer's
name – Lt Htun Myint. He
used to walk around checking us while we were working, and the other is Lt Myo That.
Some women were raped,
including a woman named Ma Thein Myint
from our village. When the officer raped her she was screaming, and they shot
her to death. She was 21 years old, and she was my cousin. She was raped by a
lieutenant colonel named Thaung Myint.
My father tried to report it, but the officer he had to report was the same one
who raped her, so it was just ignored and no action was taken. I also heard
that they raped two women from another village, then
stabbed them to death with a knife. They gave the bodies back to their families
and said that they had killed each other in a fight.
Our village is four or
five miles from the railway. There are 78 households, and one person from each
family has to go work on the railway. The soldiers loaded us onto the trucks like
they take people to jail, because they're afraid that people will escape. The
soldiers also collect porter fees, 300 Ks from each family for five days. To
get the money people had to use many different ways, like selling their
belongings or finding work to get money. Anyone who couldn't pay or refused was
taken to work on the construction side and not allowed to come back. They just
have to keep working there.
Some people escaped
together with me, but later when the soldiers came to the village they arrested
them and put them in jail. I was the only person who made it here. Before I
escaped I worked on three different parts of the railway. We never knew which
part we were going to work on – we just had to go where they took us. They are
building three railway lines parallel to each other, about four miles apart. We
knew nothing about why they are building this railway. I think they only want
to keep us working. I don't think this railway can do any good for us.
Interview: 45 HRV: Displacement, Execution,
Forced Labour, Livelihood, Torture
Name: Nai
Q—
Sex: Male
Age: 25
Ethnicity: Mon
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Married with 2 children (age 1
and 4)
Occupation: Farmer
Address:
Tenasserim Division
Interviewed: late March 1994
I arrived here about 20
days ago. I left because I couldn't bear the oppression of the Burmese troops
anymore. I had to go work on the railways three times, for three weeks altogether.
Each time 14 people from our village had to go, and there are only 15 families
in our village. Our group of 14 had to go for seven days, then seven days at
home, back to the railway for seven days, and so on. Since we have only 15
families, in some houses where there is only one man, then he/she
himself/herself has to go. If there are two or three men, SLORC calls them all.
If there are no men in the house then a girl, a woman, or even a pregnant woman
has to go. About five or 6 women had to go from our village. While the men are
gone working, there is not much problem for families who have money, but it is
a very big problem for families who don't have anything. They can even die.
The railway is two hours'
walk from our village. When we arrive, the soldiers check us. We have to choose
one leader for every 10 people. If somebody is missing, we have to pay 10,000
Ks. Labourers are not only from my village. There were a lot of people, and I
couldn't count them. Altogether I think there must have been 20,000 people, but
not all in one area. In each area there were probably 4,000 or 5,000 people. At
the railway, we had to dig the ground. We had to clear a way 300 feet wide
through the forest, and if there was a big tree, we had to uproot it. If there was
a mountain, we had to cut through it. We had to use our own tools. We had to
work on hills and flat land, deep forest and thin forest. Sometimes we had to
cross rivers. Once one place was finished, we had to move on. We started work
at
We had to bring our own
food. People who had some money could buy some vegetables. The rest of us just
had fishpaste and rice. At night we slept on the
ground on some leaves – we had no mats or plastic. Soldiers were around us 24
hours a day. There were two different groups of soldiers; one for the security
of railway and another for frontline offensives. So when those troops needed
porters to go to the frontline, they asked the troops guarding the railway and
people were forced to go. Many people were forced into portering, but I don't
know how many. Whenever those troops came they could take as many people as
they wanted.
The soldiers on the
railway just controlled and checked us. If they saw someone who stopped
working, they beat them. Sometimes, they talked to the leader of that village,
and ordered that person to pay 10,000 Ks. If the person couldn't pay, there
would be a big problem. The soldiers don't care about the people,
they care only about their railway.
I saw people being beaten
very often. There was one man, and when the soldiers got drunk they ordered him
to do a lot of things that he couldn't do. The man spoke back to the soldiers, then he was beaten. They beat him with a stick at his head
and on his back, and he fell down and started bleeding. He lost a lot of blood
but the soldiers just left him there as it was. None of them helped him, only
some of his friends came and cared for him. His head was cracked a little and
he lost consciousness for about five minutes. He couldn't work for half a day
because he couldn't move. But as soon as he could get up the soldiers called
him to work again. I saw many people being beaten up, but this man suffered the
most serious. After beating them, the soldiers look at their condition and as
soon as they look getting better they are forced to go back to work. The
soldiers are from IB 410.
Some women were also
beaten, but not so hard. The soldiers just make the women afraid. They also
took some women away as porters. I saw one woman who gave birth at the railway.
There was also a single girl who was crushed to death when a tree fell on her.
She was only 16 or 17 years old. The soldiers did nothing – some of her friends
dragged her out and buried her.
I saw people from aged 12
to 50 years old working there. I don't know about other parts of the railway –
maybe there are people even older. When people got sick, nobody took care of
them or gave them medicine. If they couldn't work but weren't terribly sick,
they were ordered to work anyway or else they would be beaten, so they had to
force themselves to work. The sick weren't allowed to go home.
The soldiers also came to
our village and asked for porter fees. The poor had to give 500 Ks each time,
and the rich had to give more. If the soldiers come, all our animals, rice and
money must be given to them. They catch the livestock by themselves, and you
can't protest or they'll curse and scold you. And however much rice they ask
for, you have to give them. Sometimes the soldiers come every 10 or 15 days,
sometimes they come every three or four days. It takes 2½ hours to walk to the
village from their outpost.
I came out here with just
my family and my brother's family from another village. Many more people want
to come but they are afraid of the trip right now. One or two days ago a SLORC
soldier shot a Burman villager along the way, so most people dared not come
yet. When we came out we slept three nights on the way and walked for four
days. I knew the way because I've been here once before. We didn't bring
anything with us except clothes on our backs because we were afraid the
soldiers might interrogate us on the way. We saw some soldiers, and they
stopped us and asked, " Where are you
going?" We told them that we were going to our aunt's house because our
uncle was sick, and they let us go. I will not go back. There are too many
problems there.
Interview: 46 HRV: Child, Displacement,
Forced Labour, Livelihood
Name: Ma R—
Sex: Female
Age: 19
Ethnicity: Burman
Religion: Buddhist
Family: Single
Occupation: Farmer
Address:
Tenasserim Division
Interviewed: late March 1994
I have been here just two
days. I came because of the heavy labour. We had to work for SLORC all the
time. I had to work on the railway for half a month in February. After I
finished my turn, I came out here and another group replaced us. About one
hundred people from my village went to work with me. Our village is quite big,
more like a town. We received an order to go to work, and then we knew we had
to go. One person per family had to go. I am the eldest child. I have only
younger sisters and brothers, and they are still primary school students, so I
had to go instead of my mother and father. My father can't do anything for the
time being because he is suffering from a disease. If I was not there, my parents
would have had to hire someone to go for us.
I don't know exactly how
many women had to go. In our group there were about 15 women. It was quite far.
We had to go to
At the railway the men dug
the ground, and we had to carry the dirt. We had to take our own tools. It was
in the hills and in the jungle. We had to work from
At night we had a small
shelter to sleep in. Each village had built a shelter for themselves, and we
had to fix the shelter when we arrived for our turn of work. We brought
sleeping mats from home. There were no soldiers around at night, only in the
daytime.
There were young people
working, 13 years old. Most of the aged persons were around 40. The children
were doing the same work together with us – the old people, too. Some sick
labourers were working. If they looked really sick, they didn't have to work
and they could stay in the shelter. The soldiers let some of them go back to
the village, but the villagers had to replace the sick labourer. I saw pregnant
women working too. The soldiers didn’t pay us anything.
After a half month working
for them, I came out here by myself, together with my cousin. The rest of my
family stayed in the village with our relatives. It took three days for me to
come here, and I could bring only three small bags of my belongings. There were
12 of us altogether. We came with someone who knew the way, and just followed
him.