Times: Rachel interview : WHAT WOUL

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Subject: Re: Times: Rachel interview : WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

The fact is Dawn Star has no courage to work for Democracy as Rachel did but too much criticism.

For our Burmese people we have a saying left by our forefathers. That is "Lu pyaw ma than - Lu than ma pyaw". It means "The able people do not speech much and the people speech much are not able."

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On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 06:35:50   Dawn Star wrote:
>comment
>check this out on how to go astray today at turn of the century on human
>rights activism/
>
>Goldwyn:  "If I say lots of bad things, they'll think he'll do the same
>> and never let him out. I know people are going to criticise me. They can say
>> what they like. It's a free country."
>
>HERE SHE CLEARLY TAKES A POSITION NOT TO UPSET THE REGIME OTHERWISE
>COMPLACENT DO NOTHING SUPPORT OF REGIME ; SHE IS CERTAINLY NOT USING HER
>FREEDOM TO HELP THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM IN BURMA AS SUU KYI HAS ASKED
>PEOPLE TO DO/ SHE IS PLAYING DUMB AND SILENT BECAUSE SHE HAS CUT A DEAL
>FOR HER QUICK RELEASE AND IS A VIRTUAL HOSTAGE OF THE REGIME HANDLERS
>WHO WILL USE HER TO DISORIENT THE FREE BURMA MOVEMENT OUTSIDE AND ITS
>ACTIVISM. IT IS UP TO THE MOVEMENT TO SHOW HOW SHE IS TOTALLY
>DISCREDITED AND A PRO JUNTA MOUTHPIECE OF CONSTRUCTIVE ENGAGEMENT / SHE
>IS ON PROBATION AND HAS TO PLAY THE GAME NOW FOR THE JUNTA 
>
>> 
>> LONDON TIMES
>> November 9 1999 BRITAINThe woman who tangled with the Burma regime talks to
>> Tim Reid
>> )
>> 
>> Rachel Goldwyn home again on the banks of the Thames at Barnes, southwest
>> London, after being released from jail in Rangoon
>> Photograph: CHRIS HARRIS
>> Freedom songs protester tells of life in jail
>> 
>> TWENTY-FOUR hours after Rachel Goldwyn had been released from Rangoon's
>> Insein jail, after serving only six weeks of her seven-year sentence, she
>> was dancing and juggling tennis balls in a karaoke bar 400 miles north of
>> the Burmese capital with two enormously relieved parents.
>
>> It was an utterly bizarre end to six weeks that turned her world on its head
>
>YOU SEE IT TURNE HER WORLD UPSIDE DOWN BECAUSE SHE DIDNT KNOW WHERE SHE
>WAS
>
>> - from Burmese jail to Burmese bar and back to her family's large
>> comfortable home in Barnes, southwest London. Speaking from home, after
>> flying into Heathrow yesterday morning, Ms Goldwyn, 28, told the
>> extraordinary story of her arrest and interrogation, her weeks of solitary
>> confinement, and why she believes that Burmese pro-democracy campaigners are
>> wrong to denounce her decision to return there to undertake a
>> state-supervised research project as a "shameless betrayal" of the cause.
>
>STATE SUPERVISED RESEARCH ' GET THAT' JUNTA SCENARIO DO THIS SAY THAT
>THINK THIS OR DEAL OVER' REMEMBER SHE CUT A DEAL TO GET OUT AND HAS TO
>PAY BACK NOW
>
>> Far from being an impulsive act, she admitted yesterday that her
>> pro-democracy demonstration in Rangoon that led to her arrest had been
>> planned for over a year. Her decision came after eight months working in a
>> Burmese refugee camp in northern Thailand in 1997.
>
>EIGHT MONTHS IN A REFUGEE CAMP? WHAT CAMP? WHO DID SHE WORK WITH? WHAT
>WAS THE NAME OF THE CAMP? WHERE WAS IT LOCATED? CAN SHE PROVE THIS? AND
>SO WHAT? SPIES INFILTRATE MOVEMENTS AND COUNTRIES SPEND YEARS A LIFE
>TIME INSIDE/ SHE IS BEING USED BY JUNTA NOW
>IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER WHAT SHE DID BEFORE SHE IS DISCREDITED BY HER
>RECENT DEAL
>
>IF SHE PLANNED THIS FOR OVER A YEAR WAS HER DEAL THEN PART OF A RELEASE 
>AND THIS
>SELF PROMOTION PART OF THE DEAL SHE IMAGINED? 
>
>> On August 12 this year, she left the family home with her backpack, telling
>> her parents Edward, a television documentary maker, and Charmian, a GP, that
>> she was going to Germany. Two days later she was in Rangoon.
>
>SHE LIED TO HER FAMILY THEN FAMILY COMES AND BAILS HER OUT
>SHE IS LYING TO HERSELF AND THE MOVEMENT AND THE JUNTA IS PLAYING WITH
>HER LIES AND TIED HER UP
>
>> A month later on September 7, she woke early, weakened from a two-day
>> stomach bug but determined to carry out her plan. "I was a bit nervous. I
>> knew I would get arrested, but thought I would just get deported," she said.
>
>SO SHE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A FAST WAY HOME TO MAKE HEADLINES AND GET
>DEPORTED/ THIS IS NOT WHAT DETERMINED ACTIVISM IS ABOUT THIS IS NOT WHAT
>WILL CHANGE A REGIME BUT LETS REGIME CLEAN OUT THE STREETS OF LONELY
>LOST AND CONFUSED CHILDREN
>
>> At 5pm she chained herself to a street sign on a busy Rangoon intersection,
>> sang songs, displayed banners and shouted slogans, including "Democracy is
>> our cause" and "Release all political prisoners", to a crowd of about 600.
>
>DEMOCRACY IS NOT HER CAUSE SELF PROMOTION AND HEADLINES ONLY 
>WHAT HAS SHE EVER DONE TO PROMOTE DEMOCRACY IN BURMA EXCEPT BY PROMOTING
>HER OWN
>HAPLESS SITUTION AND NOW SHE IS GOING TO PLAY JUNTA ROLE IN DRUG
>PROPAGANDA WORK BECAUSE THE REGIME KNOWS IT NEEDS TO GIVE WORLD RIGHT
>IMAGE ON DRUG ERADICATION TO GET FUNDS AND CREDITS HOW STUPID OF HER HOW
>CUNNING OF REGIME /HOW CHEAP OF BOTH
>
>
>> "It lasted 13 minutes. 
>
>ANDY WARHOL WHO I KNEW PERSONALLY /MY ROOMMATE IN NEW YORK WORKED DAILY
>AT THE FACTORY / SAID BE FAMOUS FOR FIFTEEN MINUTES/ SHE DIDNT EVEN GET
>THAT
>
>Then four plainclothes officers dragged me off to a
>> police station 200 yards away. I was handcuffed and people were taking my
>> mugshot. I kept trying to break the tension by sticking my tongue out."
>> 
>HOW DIGNIFIED/ ANYONE GET ANY OF THESE GROTESQUE PHOTOS MAKES ME THINK
>OF GANDHI OR SUU KYI. IMAGINE 
>
>She was then taken to an immigration building and interrogated by three
>men
>> for most of the night and the next day. That afternoon she typed out a
>> statement denouncing the regime, human rights violations, its death squads
>> and admitting that she had planned her protest for a year.
>
>HERE SHE IS THE DETERMINE STONG FIGHTER
>
>> Despite repeated requests and a "screaming row" with one officer, her
>> interrogators had failed to contact the British Embassy. "At 4am I announced
>> I was going on hunger strike. Three hours later they took me to Insein jail.
>
>THE HUNGER STRIKER
>
>> I was taken to a solitary cell, two and a half metres wide, with a wooden
>> slat bed, a little plastic bucket and a water pot. By this stage, I hadn't
>> eaten anything for five days.
>> "They offered meals of boiled egg, rice and fried vegetables twice a day,
>> but I refused. They became really worried about my health, taking my blood
>> pressure and weight several times a day. I didn't see any torture - they
>> wouldn't let me see any, would they? - but I did see people in chains."
>
>PEOPLE IN CHAINS IN A PRISON? INCREDIBLE MOVING STORY
>
>> A week after her arrest, Karen Williams, the British Vice-Consul, arrived to
>> tell Ms Goodwyn that her parents knew of her arrest. She brought chocolate
>> digestives and made her eat them to show the guards the hunger strike was
>> over. 
>
>THE EMBASSY BREAKS THE STRIKE AND STARTS SMOOTHING OUT THE PROBLEMS
>
>Two days later she was tried in the prison compound and sentenced to
>> seven years' hard labour for "endangering peace, security and stability". "I
>> couldn't believe the sentence. I sat in my cell and cried all night."
>
>OH THE POOR GIRL AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULD BE HOME WITH MUMMIE AND
>DADDIE
>BUT THE STORY GOES ON? SHE IS NOT ALONE...
>
>> Meanwhile, her parents in London were plotting a way to free her. They sent
>> a fax to the British Embassy imploring their daughter to "toe the line",
>> which was later shown to her.
>
>BE A GOOD GIRL AND DADDY WILL DO EVERYTHING
>
>> After obtaining visas, they flew to Rangoon five weeks ago for an
>> extraordinary VIP reception at the airport, where they were whisked through
>> customs and on to a meeting with the Minister for Home Affairs. 
>
>
>ITS GOOD TO BE SERIOUS RESPECTFUL LIKE BUSINESSMEN MAKES REGIME LOOK
>ALSO SERIOUS AND RESPECTFUL MUST GIVE SERIOUS RESPESCT TO GENERALS NOT
>ACT LIKE FREEDOM SINGING POET DEMONSTRATOR FOR DEMOCRACY HOW UNSERIOUS
>HOW DISRESPECTFUL DISORDERLY NOT GOOD FOR JUNTA NOT GOOD FOR DADDY NOT
>GOOD FOR ............DEMOCRACY
>
>SO JUNTA CHANGES SCENE CHANGES ACT CHANGES PLAY YOU DO THIS YOU ACT LIKE
>THIS
>AND NOW IT IS OKAY NO MORE CONFUSION NO MORE SILLY BUSINESS
>
>It was at
>> that first meeting that they suggested a trip around Burma with Rachel so
>> that they "could see what the country was really like". That idea became
>> reality last week when the group undertook a supervised tour to the
>> semiautonomous region of Monglar to look at "counter-narcotic measures".
>
>OH HOW NICE YES LIKE GUIDED TOUR? HAVE NICE TOURIST TOUR LIKE TOURIST
>GUIDE TOUR THROUGH UNITED NATIONS MAKES YOU FEEL IMPORTANT PERSON KNOW
>HOW IT IS ON INSIDE SEE HAPPY SMILING PEOPLE OH SORRY HOSPITALS? NOT THE
>TIME TO SEE. THE UNIVERSITIES. OH NOT NOW CLOSED STUDENTS NOT SERIOUS...
>
>> With Ms Goldwyn's parents' daily meetings with the authorities, 
>
>INTEROGATIONS BRAIN WASHING NEGOTATIONS TALK TALK TALK 
>YES THEY ARE NOW PLAYING ALONG GAME WELL
>
>
>things
>> dramatically improved. Soon they were visiting her in jail every other day,
>> bringing books and "heaps of food". It was during those heavily monitored
>> meetings that Ms Goldwyn proposed the idea of a "research trip" to form part
>> of a British master's degree.
>
>OH TAKE CARE OF BABY NICE GIRL GOOD STUDENT STUDY STUDY STUDY BUT NO
>UNIVERSITES OPEN IN BURMA YES GO HOME WITH DEGREE WORK HARD TALK HOW
>GOOD BURMA IS TRYIING TO BE
>SERIOUS MEMBER NATION OF WORLD COMMUNITY
>
>> By her own admission yesterday, Ms Goldwyn is still very confused. 
>
>SHE ALWAYS WAS CONFUSED AND STILL IS AND IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE A
>NERVOUS BREAKDOWN SOONER OR LATER AND SHOULD BE IN THERAPY WHICH SHE
>PROBABLY IS GOING TO DO ANYWAY
>
>At one
>> point she said: "You have got to imagine what it was like. You are in a room
>> full of people listening to everything you are saying, your parents turn up
>> and are desperate to get you out. They were beside themselves. What would
>> you do?"
>
>WHAT WOULD YOU DO? SHUT UP PLAY THE GAME DADDY IS HERE STUPID GIRL. WHAT
>DO YOU WANT THIS IS IT JAIL OR FREEDOM. ENGLAND OR BURMA PRISON.
>INHERITANCE AND JUNTA DEAL OR 
>CUT OFF FOREVER. OH THE TERRIBLE STOMACH AND HEAD PAINS. CONFUSED GIRL
>SHOULD NEVER HAVE GONE TO BURMA AND NOW KNOWS SHE MADE BIG BIG MISTAKE
>
>
>> But she fiercely defends her decision to recant and return under state
>> supervision. 
>
>FIERCELY FIERCELY WHAT WONDER WOMAN DETERMINATION A TRUE MARYTR A
>HERO!!! WE LOVE HEROS, TRUE FREEDOM FIGHTER SO STRONG SO EAGER TO DO
>GOOD AND LEAD A JOAN OF ARC!
>
>On her release, she signed an undertaking never to indulge in
>> political activity in Burma again. 
>
>AND SHE THEN SIGNED AWAY ALL HER PRINCIPLES NOT UNDER DISTRESS BUT UNDER
>ORDER FROM DADDY AND MUMMIE AND CUT THE DEAL WITH JUNTA 
>
>DID SHE RENOUNCE IT UNDER STRESS WHEN RELEASED NO BECAUSE DADDY AND
>MUMMIE IN ON DEAL TOO
>
>
>
>As she was discussing this yesterday, her
>> sister, Ruth, entered the room with a fax from Burma Campaign UK denouncing
>> her "selfish betrayal" of the pro-democracy cause as "utterly shameful".
>
>
>
>> "I still want human rights and democracy in Burma," she said. "This is the
>> same mission, it's just different tactics. 
>
>SAME MISSION DIFFERENT TACTICS YES YES GOOD JUNTA LIKES THIS DO WORK FOR
>FREEDOM AND DEMCRACY COME WITH US WE WILL NOT FOLLOW YOU WE WILL NOT
>TRACE YOUR STEPS OR TALK TO PEOPLE YOU TALK TO NO WE NO NOTHING IN BURMA
>YOU FREE TO GO AS YOU PLEASE EVEN GO TO PIPELINE SEE WHAT GOOD
>DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE IS DOING FOR BURMA YES GAS GOES TO THAILAND NOT
>BURMA NO PROBLEM WE LOVE THAI PEOPLE SO GIVE GAS TO THEM TOO OUR PEOPLE
>DO NOT NEED OR WANT GAS OR RESOURCES WE HAVE TOO MUCH ANYWAY AND DONT
>KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT ALL THANKS TO BRTISH AND FRENCH NOW WE KNOW
>
>If I feel the trip is a waste of
>> time, that the authorities are manipulating me totally, I can always come
>> back and walk away from it. But it is an avenue that has to be explored. I
>> think I have achieved a lot already. I've put human rights in Burma on the
>> map for a lot of people in Britain."
>
>YES YES ME RACHEL DID SO MUCH FOR BURMA PUT BURMA ON MAP FANTASTIC NO
>ONE KNEW ABOUT BURMA BEFORE NOT MANY NOW ME AND JUNTA WE PUT BURMA ON
>MAP TOGETHER AND SHOW HOW MUCH BETTER BURMA IS TOGETHER WONDERFUL COME
>BACK AGAIN ANY TIME DONT FORGET DONT LOOK BACK LOOK FORWARD TOMORROW
>TOGETHER GREAT FUTURE FORGET STUPID SILLY PAST LITTLE GIRL TOMORROW YOU
>BIG GREAT BIG  BEAUTIFUL WOMAN WITH BURMA WE LOVE RACHEL GOLDWYN AND
>DADDY
>
>> Ms Goldwyn and her family are in talks with the School of Oriental and
>> African Studies, part of London University, about the possibility of
>> studying anti-drug measures in Burma as part of a one-year master's degree.
>> The move has been sanctioned by the Burmese Government.
>
>FULL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT OH HOW WONDERFUL AND NOW PROBABLY WILL HAVE
>BACKING OF BRITISH GOVRENEMNT AND BURMESE GOVT MAY EVEN WORK FOR BRITISH
>FOREIGN OFFICE HOW WONDERFUL CAN PROMOTE ERADICATION PROGRAM CAN PROMOTE
>BRITISH BUSINESS CAN PROMOTE JUNTA REFORMS
>
>> She said she was also acutely aware of not criticising the regime for the
>> sake of James Mawdsley, another British pro-democracy demonstrator, who was
>> jailed in September in Burma for 17 years.
>
>ACUTELY ACUTELY YES EVEN THOUGH JAMES DOESNT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH
>RACHEL SHE HAS THE AUDACITY AND LACK OF SHAME TO MENTION HIM IN THE
>CONTEXT OF NOT CRITICIZING THE REGIME WHEN HE IS THE DETERMINED ACTIVIST
>AND SHE IS CHEAP IMPOSTURE
>
>
> He has shown no wish to negotiate his release. 
>
>"If I say lots of bad things, they'll think he'll do the same
>> and never let him out. 
>
>AND SHE HAS AUDACITY TO SPEAK FOR HIM AND EVEN ENTER HIS MIND THIS IS
>JUNTA LOGIC AND JUNTA MANIPULATION IT IS POISON IN HER BRAIN  SHE IS NOW
>NOT TO BE TOUCHED BY FREE BURMA MOVEMENT WHO WANTS HER SURELY TO USE
>MEDIA AND EVEN GO ON SPEAKING TOUR SIGN PUBLISHING DEALS USE FOREIGN
>MEDIA YES YES YES THIS IS GOOD FOR RACHEL GOOD FOR JUNTA 
>
>I know people are going to criticise me. They can say
>> what they like. It's a free country."
>
>LIKE IN BURMA FREE COUNTRY GENERALS LET ME GO DO WHAT I WANT WHERE I
>WANT LIFE IS WONDERFUL WHEN YOU TALK TO THE GENERALS....
>
>
>


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