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Subject: Re: [burmanet2-l] Re: Rebels win, Workers lose

OK dawn star i answer

need to study art of fighting! we do this in tae kwon do. no big secret! 
study opponent to find weak spot. pick best place for fighting. do not waste 
energy, do not waste punches. do not fight unless necessary. do not let 
opponent know what you are going to do. trick opponent into mistake. use 
opponent against himself. more more more.

ok? look at what "vigorous" students did. THEY MAKE EVERY MISTAKE IN BOOK! 
strike once without hitting and now in weak position.

you are supporter of them with heart, ok dawn star. but do not hide from the 
truth - big mistake in fighting.

brain is best weapon. use it!

susu the death machine (ha ha!)


>From: Dawn Star <dawnstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: dawnstar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: Sue Huang <susuhuang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>CC: bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [burmanet2-l] Re: Rebels win, Workers lose
>Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:10:06 +0100
>
>susu, you very good, you great, but  you not listening to other voices,
>only  your own, what's this, ten minute bravado nonesense, the warriors
>struck and shook the world, preoccupying media attention hundreds of
>millions of tv viewers, internet, newspapers, movement shaken, rangoon
>shaken, thailand shaken, they do more shaking than your huff and puff.
>no credibility lost except by losers of credibility, not them, movement
>not disorganized, movement challenged, always life challenges, always
>shake and hit, and move and turn, and stop, and move fast, move again,
>you know that, you thinker, fighter, patient, you hit with force, you
>wait, you think, you watch, you susu, you talk about long term
>occupation, what do you want long term occupation for, anyway, you want
>long term occupation embassy, that is ridiculous, what for, that is
>silly contradiction, seize files, yes, of course, good idea, very good
>idea, you have many good ideas, they act fast, too bad  you were not
>with them! brains good thing, what you do with brains, susu?
>
>this movement needs people with brains, good brains, why have you been
>away so long? what do you propose now?
>
>ds
>
>
> > hello??? EVERYBODY lose from this stupid embassy attack, indiana. 
>innocent
> > workers hurt, as you say. crackdown on ABSDF and other groups in BKK has
> > been announced by thai government. vigorous students made nld look like
> > terror-sponsoring group. any hope for early release of rachel goldwyn
> > probably gone. bangkok embassy security now upgraded, meaning any 
>SERIOUS
> > long-term occupation, seizure of files etc may no longer be possible. 
>border
> > closed making prices go up in rangoon. whole movement now looks
> > disorganized, no leadership. credibility has been lost.
> >
> > name one positive accomplishment. answer: ten minutes of media 
>attention.
> > big deal.
> >
> > so, hooray for vigorous students. have guns instead of brains.
> >
> > susu
> >
> > >From: Indiana <bina@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx, burmanet2-l@xxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Rebels win, Workers lose
> > >Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 07:24:08 +0700
> > >
> > >Just a note of reality, here amid all the euphoria about getting the
> > >world's attention on Burma by a show of physical force in our host's
> > >capital city.
> > >
> > >By some estimates, there are one million undocumented Burmese workers 
>in
> > >Thailand, about half of whom work in Bangkok.  For those of you who 
>dont
> > >know, these undocumented workers are habitually ripped off by their 
>company
> > >owners, abused by their foremen, and harassed by the Thai police.  
>Without
> > >state papers, they have no legal rights at all.  Their children are 
>often
> > >born on the construction work sites, and later they play in the dirt 
>and
> > >the junk piles while their parents mix cement, bend re-bar, and carry
> > >bricks, for half the wages of a Thai laborer.  The only reason these 
>people
> > >are in Bangkok, far from their towns and villages in Burma, is simply
> > >because it is even worse for them at home.
> > >
> > >I had spent about six months working with a group of Burmese students 
>to
> > >set up a primary school for these kids at a construction site in 
>Bangkok.
> > >We researched the situation, wrote a project proposal and prepared a 
>budget
> > >which included books, paper, and lunch for the kids.  We sent it out to
> > >friends and organizations who we thought might be interested in funding 
>the
> > >school.  We finally heard that it was going to be approved last week, 
>just
> > >before the embassy story hit the headlines.
> > >
> > >The students who were going to run this school all live at the Maneeloy
> > >"safe camp".  But now it looks like easy movement to and from the camp 
>is
> > >over (see story that follows).  If they cannot leave the camp for 
>Bangkok,
> > >there will be no school for the workers' children.  And from the sounds 
>the
> > >Thai government is making, life is going to get even harder for the 
>workers
> > >themselves.
> > >
> > >I know that everyone wants to go back to Burma.  I know that the 
>continued
> > >presence of the junta there is a disgrace to human society.  I know how
> > >frustrated everyone is with the lack of movement in the international
> > >community.  I was also glad to see something "real" happen, although I 
>know
> > >that violence is never elegant, nor can it be a solid foundation on 
>which
> > >to build anything long-lasting.
> > >
> > >But with no collective planning, no coordinated follow-up, no 
>long-range
> > >strategy to use this "aberration" to press our demands home to the
> > >international community, it is the weakest people, as usual, who will 
>bear
> > >the brunt of the hostile fall-out that violence always breeds.  I know 
>in a
> > >very personal way what a loss of this school means to the children, 
>their
> > >parents, and to the entire illegal worker population of Bangkok.
> > >
> > >If the embassy attack gets them all back home to a peaceful Burma 
>tomorrow,
> > >I will be cheering along with the rest.  But if it only makes 
>conditions
> > >worse for them here in Bangkok, then it is they who will be paying the
> > >long-term cost for the Vigorous Burmese Student Warriors moment of 
>glory.
> > >
> > >
> > > >SHAN HERALD AGENCY FOR NEWS
> > > >October 6, 1999
> > > >
> > > >Thailand wants Myanmar students out of country after hostage crisis
> > > >
> > > >     BANGKOK, Oct 6 (AFP) - Thailand said Wednesday it planned to 
>round
> > >up
> > > >exiled Myanmar students and send them to a third country, after five
> > > >student gunmen took almost 40 people hostage at Yangon's embassy 
>here.
> > >In
> > > >the wake of the 25-hour hostage crisis, which ended with the gunmen
> > >fleeing
> > > >Bangkok by helicopter Saturday, Thai authorities met to discuss ways 
>to
> > > >prevent more international terrorism on Thai soil. The National 
>Security
> > > >Council (NSC) said it would round up exiled students inside Thailand,
> > >check
> > > >their status, and prosecute those found to have entered the country
> > > >illegally. All students would then be transferred to the Maneeloy 
>holding
> > > >centre near the Thai-Myanmar Border, and the United Nations High
> > > >Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) would be asked to quickly transfer 
>them
> > > >to a third country.
> > > >
> > > >     "We will consult with the UNHCR to send an estimated 2,800 
>Myanmar
> > > >students to another country," Khachadpai Burusapatana, NSC
> > > >secretary-general told reporters after the meeting top security 
>agencies.
> > > >
> > > >     The UNHCR said it had not been informed of the move yet but 
>would
> > > >continue to apply long-standing policies on resettlement.
> > > >     "In accordance with established practice we will continue to 
>promote
> > > >resettlement of those refugees who qualify for third country
> > >resettlement,"
> > > >a UNHCR spokesman said.
> > > >
> > > >     Interior ministry spokesman Veerachai Naewboonian said students 
>who
> > > >were not accepted by a third country would be repatriated to
> > > >Myanmar.  Veerachai said Thailand had already moved to ensure 
>students
> > >were
> > > >confined to the Maneeloy holding centre in Ratchburi province.
> > > >
> > > >     "Authorities will step up rules and regulations at the Maneeloy
> > >holding
> > > >centre," Veerachai said.
> > > >     Despite the crackdown on exiled students, Bangkok denied claims 
>by
> > > >Yangon that refugee camps inside Thailand were being used as 
>terrorist
> > > >bases.
> > > >     "On this issue Thailand has a clear cut policy that we will not
> > >allow
> > > >any groups of terrorists to operate against neigbouring countries 
>from
> > > >inside our country," Khachadpai said.
> > > >
> > > >     He said Thailand's policy of sheltering 100,000 refugees along 
>the
> > > >Thai-Myanmar border would remain unchanged, but all illegal Myanmar
> > >workers
> > > >would be repatriated.
> > > >
> > > >     "We have extended permission for 80,000 to 90,000 Myanmar 
>workers,
> > >but
> > > >those who are not granted an extension will be prosecuted for 
>violating
> > > >immigration laws," he said. In addition, Prime Minister Chuan Leekpai 
>has
> > > >instructed police to tighten security at 65 embassies and 10 
>consulates
> > >in
> > > >Bangkok. Thai Special Branch Police deputy commissioner Major General
> > > >Yothin Matthayanun said his agency would focus on improving security 
>for
> > > >diplomatic missions of neighbouring countries and nations embroiled 
>in
> > > >political disputes, such as Indonesia.
> > >
> > >
> >
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