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If something happens to him, there will be others.  The equation is much 
complex than that.

I notice you CC: okkar66129@xxxxxxxx  I would not worry about okkar or okkar 
substitute much.  They know that their job is not that stable under stress 
and their general is quite unpredictable.  Ask if they are afraid to get 
that one phone call from [           ].

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To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
CC: okkar66129@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Reply to Soe Than
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 05:58:19 GMT

I forgot to tell you one more thing.
I had an American made hand grenade while I was inside Burma.  I had been
looking for a chance to throw it at General Khin Nyunt.  Because he is
mostly responsible for everything happened in Burma.  But I didn't have that
chance.
But I hope... one day we will get him.
Freedom Fighters


>From: "Soe Than" <c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Reply to Soe Than
>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 22:33:28 PDT
>
>One more thing - I call that Brave.  Not just brave, vErY BRAVE!!  It has
>nothing to do with "Ahmat ma-shee boo".  It was your conviction that got
>you
>going and drove into actions.
>
>You are now alive, aren't you?  Do you think you would still be alive
>typing
>on a PC and fighting for your own conviction if you started shooting at
>them?  They will just shoot you right back...  Why must be go down to their
>level??  You have brains.
>
>Why do you think NLD still exits?  If they go "Thaw-kho" in the jungle,
>would many of them be still alive today?  Would they label ASSK "the most
>fierce arms resister" in the Burmese border instead of recognition with
>Nobel Peace Price??
>
>There are many examples of none-violent movement including India & South
>Africa.
>
>Why must anyone's blood shed if you can avoid it?  Violence will only be
>met
>with yet another violent force.
>
>I do not know.........
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Soe Than" <c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: Reply to Soe Than
>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 21:58:07 PDT
>
>Yes, I am sorry.  I was way too young and away out of the country.  But
>literally everyone I knew, even some unthinkable people were apart of 8888
>back then.
>
>Two of my first cousins died.
>
>I disagree that there is no improvement in Burma.  We now have a legitimate
>opposition - NLD led by no other than ASSK.
>
>I am sure you know she is trying her best under circumstances and I think
>we
>all know it.
>
>If you people are really "latt yar nay yin" or want to go rampage - why
>don't you go after the "real guilty parties" rather than terrorizing
>innocent bystanders in a foreign country?
>
>And I do not mean going after their children like a Mafia style.  If you
>are
>a father, how would you feel people hold your sons or daughters accountable
>for your own actions?  Sure they may disagree with you but what other
>choices do they have?  You are their father after all!
>
>If you are living aboard because the host govt is kind enough to grant you
>assailant, you should abide by their law.
>
>Now, if you have a problem with another country, that is a different
>story..!
>
>Again, I strongly denounce violence against "innocent" people.
>
>Please do not send me direct email if you are posting to the BurmaNet.
>(They are duplicates!!)  You do not have to worry, I read them all!  Thank
>you.
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "Freedom Fighters" <galon99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx
>CC: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Reply to Soe Than
>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 04:21:31 GMT
>
>I would like to let you know about myself.
>
>    In August 8, 1988, we were marching on the street. We didn't evne have
>a
>needle to harm. We didn't destroy any public properties, we just marched
>shouting slogans.  The police opened fire on us without warning.  Six
>students were died on the spot.  I was lucky.
>
>May be I have no AHMAT. Although I had life threatening experience of being
>shot by the guns.....
>
>    In September 19, 1988, we were marching on the streets againg in
>Rangoon.  I was holding the peacock flag in front of our group.  I knew
>that
>the soldiers might shoot us because they already declared Marshall Law.
>However, I didn't care.  When we reached in front of the Union Bank of
>Burma, the soldiers on top of the building started shooting us with Machine
>Guns.  Many students and people  were killed on that spot.  I say MANY
>because I don't know exactly.  They never let us come back there.  When we
>looked back into the streets, the soldiers shot us again.  They didn't even
>let the Red Cross Men come down into the streets.  My friends besides me
>and
>behind be were hit at their heads and died instantly.  I just got slight
>injury.
>
>So I thought myself as having no AHMAT.
>
>     On September 24, 1988, I was arrested by the soldiers and put into the
>prison after the Military Intelligence interogated me and tortured me
>enough.  While they were interogating me, the captain pointed his pistol in
>my head and threatened me to shoot dead. They slapped my cheek very often.
>I heard screaming voices from the other rooms.  It was like in Hell.
>      In the prison, they put me in the cell.  I had no matress, no
>blanket,
>no pillow.  I had to sleep on the cement floor.  (That is why some older
>people like Saya Mg Thaw Ka, Mr. Leo of Norway were died in the prison.) In
>the winter, we had to suffer very cold, because we didn't have blanket.
>The
>mosquitoes disturbed us a lot, because we didn't have mosquitonet.  I had
>to
>use my lead rice plate as pillow when I sleep.  They treat us like animals.
>       They feed us two times a day.  In the morning, they feed us one
>plate
>of rice, one tablespoon of very bad fish-paste and one scoop of pea soup.
>In the evening, they feed us with one plate of rice, one tablespoon of
>fish-paste, and one scoop of Kazoon soup(always contain the grass).  We had
>only one piece of meat in a week.  Their feeding was severely lack of
>nutrition factor for a human being.  Moreover, those are not sanitary.  So
>many elderly persons like Teacher Tun Aung Kyaw died of Liver Cancer due to
>the unproperly treated Amoebic Dysentry.
>
>I had no AHMAT.
>
>     After they released me from the prison, I am still doing politics.
>They threaten me very frequently.  They threaten my parents also.  They
>searched my house very frequently at midnight.  My brother had to flee for
>three years.  I still taking part in the Democracy movement.
>
>I believed in Nonviolent Struggle for 10 years.
>
>      However, I didn't see any improvement in the situation inside Burma.
>The Burmese Generals are still imprisoning the opposition members, still
>torturing the democracy activists, still ordering to shoot the peaceful
>demonstrators(most recently in 1997 in Mandalay and two monks were shot
>dead.), still refusing to recognise the people's representatives.  Still
>oppressing our farmers from the faraway villages(Our farmers have to sell
>their farm products to the government with half price. I know that because
>I
>have many relatives living in the villages at Saggaing Division.)
>
>So, How should we do this.
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Soe Than" <c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: Re: student dissidents doing the right thing for their country
>>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 20:15:02 PDT
>>
>>Oh sure, they did the right thing for Burma by dragging some three dozens
>>innocent people.
>>
>>There should be more people like them, right?  Terrorizing all the Burmese
>>embassies around the world.  Let's see.
>>
>>Taking hostages for their safety, how brave they are!!  How very brave....
>>NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
>>
>>Quite frankly, I think you are much more braver than they are for speaking
>>out on your beliefs Ako Galon99 without pointing a gun to anyone's head.
>>
>>PS:  Please do not email me direct if you are also posting to BurmaNet.
>>(duplicate emails in my mailbox!)  I read them on BurmaNet, do not worry!
>>Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: "Freedom Fighters" <galon99@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: burmanet-l@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>CC: okkar66129@xxxxxxx, c04061998@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>Subject: student dissidents doing the right thing for their country
>>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 03:03:08 GMT
>>
>>."One unnamed captive said all the students were brave men who had made a
>>sacrifice for their compatriots suffering from the oppression of Burma's
>>military regime.
>>
>>Another added that it was good to see student dissidents doing the "right
>>thing for their country and people and supporting democracy in Burma.
>>
>>BANGKOKPOST, 10/3/99
>>
>>
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