Who is doing what? (r)

[hag2@xxxxxxxxxxx]

Dear newin naing or whoever,
It was so amusing to look at your poor presentation on the net.  If you
think I am a betrayer, why do you use your real name.  I request you to
show your true identity.  I am out spoken person, I do not afraid of
anyone.  Your groundless accusation make no harm to me.  Speak out !you are
the one who work together with NUGUB or FTUB, if you have guts.  I did not
lobby for US base groups but support to those who want to clean up our
movement from the dirty hands not only in the US but also in the world.
Thanks for calling me as a big guy.
You said:
possible reasons for supporting Ne Win:

What possible reason?  You use the words "possible reason" means it is not
sure only your one sided thinking, right?


>	Inspite of this, his wife and children were issued passports and are 
>now staying with him in the USA. 

My family and I were sperated for 6 years from 1988 september 23 to 1995
october 27.  When I left Burma my son, Htet is only three years old and My
daughter Kyi is ony 14 months old.  My wife claimed that she and I were no
longer connected to each other before she came out.  Then my Japanese
friend sent a fake work permit to her from BKK.  She showed the work permit
to the immigration and paid 70,000 (bribe)kyats to them.  My family get out
from Burma with Burmese passport in 1994 November without problem.  They
stayed in BKK and waiting for the approval from the US embassy for eight
months.  You want to accuse me for that reason.  My family got a passport
thats why I was thankful to SLORC and lobby for them?  What a funny
accusation.  Do you know my wife was demoted from her job in Burma before
she got out?   

>	After that, his mother visited him last year and went back to Burma. 
>
>	Action:
>	After his family and his mother arrived in the USA, around end of 1997, 
>he came out with a proposal to make NE WIN as the savior of Burma.

My mother arrived to Ithaca on August 1994 not 1997.  She arrived earlier
than my family.  My mother stay six months with me but she could not stand
the cold weather in Ithaca so she decided to go home.  I was very worried
about my mother but SLORC did not bother her.  Now my mother has been
paralyzed for more than three months.  It makes me very sad.  I want to go
home as soon as possible.  My father passed away over one year ago.  I have
no chance to attend his funeral.  Also I have no chance to take care about
my mother who love me with all her heart.  I add some more news about my
mother for you.  My mother visited to Mae Sod three times, when I was an
acting Chairman of ABSDF.  First time I was shocked to see her in the
border region, she came out because she care about me, she wants to see me.
 Thats all.  The second time she came out again but we do not have a chance
to meet each other.  When she came out to the border the third time, there
was a fighting between KNU and SLORC troops near Myawaddy.  My mother was
in the car convoy, she jumped out from the car and landed badly on the
ground.  Her left hand was broken.  Do you want to know why she came out?
She came out because SLORC's controlled newspaper wrote an article about
me.  In this article I was attacked by Tin Maung San (Now SLORC"S
informer)and was badly stabbed with a knife by him.  I was hospitalized and
dying.  When my mother saw this news she just went out to the border
without hesitation.  She thought that it was real and she want to bury me
by herself.  I accidently met my mom in the border town, Mae Sod and was so
sad to see her with broken arm.  Do you want to accuse her for that?  The
love of a brave woman, a mother love to her son. How beautiful it is?.  I
begged her not to come out next time and she agreed it.  First we met she
pulled up my shirt and look at my stomach, if I was stabbed or not and she
realized that SLORC's newspapers lied.  When she returned back home, MIS
called her and told that they know every move of her but next time if she
want to go out they will help her and escort her to the border.  She
rejected their offer and never come out again.  "Charter 97" is not a
proposal and it is not in line with Aung Gyi's idea.  Look at it carefully.
 I will post "Charter 97" soon in the net.  My family arrived in 1994 not
in 1997.  My mother arrived earlier than my family. Please investigate
carefully 1994 and 1997 is three year different.  My family arrived three
year before our "Charter 97".  Below is yout groundless accusation.
Compare with it.  

Action:
>	After his family and his mother arrived in the USA, around end of 1997, 
>he came out with a proposal to make NE WIN as the savior of Burma.

>
>Question:  Can it be that the military intelligence did not know his 
>wife as Mrs. Tun Aung Gyaw when they were processing the documents or 
>were they given passports on an agreement? (i.e. running the pilot lobby 
>for Ne Win?)

Why SLORC allowed my family to go uot from Burma is their issue not me and
I have no idea why?.  If they did not give them, they will try the other
way. The first option is to get out safety.  It is by air.  My wife got the
Burmese passport then you judged me as a colleborators, give me a break.  I
was sleeping for three years and suddently attacked NCGUB, right!.  My
family arrival and "Charter 97 is different issue.  Do not mixed up.  Don't
make dirty tricks! OK !
>
>Question: How did the mother get the passport and why she has not been 
>arrested when she returned back to Burma. (i.e. was she carrying a 
>message? 

If you want to insult me for behalf of NCGUB, it is fine but do not insult
my honest and brave mother.  She is 78 years old and has been paralyzed. Do
you think SLORC is crazy enough to captured a 78 yearsold woman who visited
her son?  be realistic.  

I know why you are attacking me and Ko Richard Aung Myint.  Forget about
Aung Gyi, I never know when he came out and where he lived.  Ko Richard
wrote a letter which hit the point that is we paid the taxes to the uS
government and if US gov is funding NCGUB, we have the right to know how
NCGUB spend it. Richard said we will stopped all the US funding.  That
scare Sein Win and his followers.  

You know if I want to go home, I can but I have to say nice words to SPDC
that now I know their good intention and balabalabala.  Eventhough, my
mother is very sick and I want to stand by with her, I will not bow to SPDC
or any other military regime.  I am staying until we achieve our goal, a
fully democratic country. Any body can go home including your master Sein
Win, if he say the same nice words.

Now I have a question for you.  How Bo Hla Tint wife and son get out from
Burma eventhough their father is an  important man from NCGUB (Washington
D.C).  Only two MP runs the whole NCGUB.  When his family arrived to BKK,
Bo Hla Tint returned back to Thailand and met his family (In the past Sein
Win, Bo Hla Tint and Thaung Tun claimed that they could not go back to
Thailand, the Thai government would captured them, for that reason they
enjoyed staying in the US).  But Bo Hla Tint suddently returned back to BKK
and called his family together with him within a week.  What a easy trip?.
My family had been waiting for eight months to get approval and I was
working day and night for supporting them.  In your own words, if they are
watched by the MIS, how do they made their trip?  I will not accuse them as
you did to my family.  They are lucky to get out.  Thats it.  Do not blame
on people without facts.  Every body has a hardtime living in Burma.

Open Society Institute's Burmese project Director Maureen Aung Thwin
returned back to Burma and wrote a good article.  Is she a spy or
collaborator? I do not think so.  Every body has their own idea and if your
idea is not inline with others do not make a quick conclusion that they are
betrayer, be rational.  As I said in the past, in our democratic circle,
some people like you acted like SLORC's dogs.  Every move made by NCGUB is
right! people who criticize NCGUB are spies or collaborators.  It is not
right.  Eventhough, we respect Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, she is not
untouchable.  If she make a mistake we have to tell her right away.  Do you
know democratic principles? Time will light shade on matters, who is right
and who is wrong. Lets see!

Anyway show me your real picture, if you have guts.  Also our netters would
like to know who you are.

Have a nice day!

Htun Aung Gyaw
Still strong

At 12:54 AM 7/8/98, you wrote:
>An analysis on the MI advocating NE WIN to be the savior.
>
>
>A. How the steps had been taken.
>
>Person			Period			Role
>Htun Aung Gyaw 		end of 1997	- pilot lobby for US
>                                           based groups
>Thakin Chit Maung	early 1998	- pilot lobby for
                          
>Burma / border 						   political anizations
>Aung Gyi		middle 1998	- as the previous pilot
                  
>lobbies did not get any                                               
>strong objections, has 					  come out with the final  
>                                          endorsement				
>
>B. Description of the respective personals and the possible reasons for 
>doing.
>
>Htun Aung Gyaw
>Personal:
>	He is one of the big names (jailed in 1974, first ABSDF Chairman) in 
>the revolution.
>	In Burma, used to have police in front of his house all the time.
>	
>	Possible reasons for supporting Ne Win:
>	Inspite of this, his wife and children were issued passports and are 
>now staying with him in the USA. 
>	After that, his mother visited him last year and went back to Burma. 
>
>	Action:
>	After his family and his mother arrived in the USA, around end of 1997, 
>he came out with a proposal to make NE WIN as the savior of Burma.
>
>Question:  Can it be that the military intelligence did not know his 
>wife as Mrs. Tun Aung Gyaw when they were processing the documents or 
>were they given passports on an agreement? (i.e. running the pilot lobby 
>for Ne Win?)
>
>Question: How did the mother get the passport and why she has not been 
>arrested when she returned back to Burma. (i.e. was she carrying a 
>message?  
>
>
>Aung Gyi
>	Actions:
>	In 1988 Aung Gyi came out with a paper that said Ne Win was not to be 
>blamed. It was supposedly " copied and circulated" amongst the 
>government offices and eventually to the mass. (Even at that time we saw 
>that without the endorsement of the MI, or Ne Win himself, it could not 
>have been circulated or copied) 
>
>	Now, comes out with a passport while other politically active people 
>are denied the right even to travel across townships.  Aung Gyi goes on 
>to RFA and in an interview says that 
>1. Ne Win is not the only one to be blamed 
>2. the present government must make way 
>3. that there is a split amongst the military.
>
>Question: 
>	No one is in a position to say the above three things and go back into 
>Burma. Therefore, just like in 1988, Aung Gyi is on a mission on behalf 
>of Ne Win and is the final part of the "Ne Win the savior plan".
> 
>
>
>Richard Aung Myint	
>	Personal:
>	Richard is very, very close to Col. SET  TUN. Col SET TUN was for many 
>years the confident/innermost bodyguard of  NE WIN.  
>	Richard was also BSPP an enlisted military personnal.
>
>	Actions:
>	He was very active in the CRDB around 1988- 92 (is it a coincidence 
>that it was the time when everybody in the US/Europe was very 
>enthusiastic about the 88 movement, was going to the border in support 
>and those going needed to be monitored by someone inside?) 
>	He had been inactive for a long time (when there was no need to monitor 
>or concentrate on a unit or an organization?) but has been activated 
>recently to  "put fuel on the fire".
>	His smooth comments making the controversies continue and putting up 
>the point of trying to stop funding to the democratic movement as a "US 
>citizen" has a two pronged effect of 
>1. directly stopping the funds to the democratic movement
>2. indirectly supports the call for Ne Win's role by creating confusion 
>in the democratic camp, leading to no strong concentrated reactions 
>against this call. 
>
>				******************
>
>
>We suggest that those concerned study the above outline, do some cross 
>referencing (-- being in the US and having good access to e-mail twenty 
>four hours a day, Tun Aung Gyaw and Richard Aung Myint would be in a 
>position to answer whether the points are true or not --) before giving 
>any comments so that these factors are also put them into their thinking 
>when they decide which side they will stay with.
>
>	It also helps if people are not time warped (whether we like them or 
>not we have to acknowledge that the SLORC works twenty four hours a day 
>and how ever crude they may be, proceed a little each day ) , study the 
>happenings over a time frame so that  "timed " moves play out their 
>profile. I.e. compared to the last ten years and with the progress the 
>democratic movement has made, now is the era of and time for dialogue 
>and Ne Win seems to want to be the person who negotiates this. 
>
>	Things change/develop as time goes by and one has to note that it is 
>helpful to study the environment in a practical way.
>
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