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"feminist get tough maleness"?

>From: "dawn star (Euro-Burmanet)" <cd@xxxxxxxxxx>
>dear john and conference burmanet people,
>about a rather flippant query about the french female sex,
>sorry for the remark on the main net line, thought it was personal,
>please excuse the chatter
>out, and back to work
> dawn star

Dear John, dawn star, and everyone else,

Well, that's the most offensive thing I've seen in email in a long while -
and that's saying something! I suppose it should serve as a reminder tho -
not that we need to be careful about what we post to the listserve, but
that attitudes like that ("preferably very young, and charming and sexy and
they do not go in for all that feminist get tough maleness, they can exceed
without it, with their own intelligent feminism") abound in all movements.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am. "feminist get tough
maleness"? Did you mean to say "self-confident, willing to make up their
own minds"? I guess I should be glad that this got posted on the list-serve
- at least we'll all remember what pigs we can be when we think no one else
is listening. Instead of appologizing for posting this on the serve, try
not talking about women in demeaning and objectifying ways - even in

Nick Jehlen

P.S. Please don't take this as a self-righteous letter - I've said some
pretty offensive and stupid things in my time - but I'm working on changing
my own sexist ideas - I hope we call can.